Pagan Music: The Obnoxious Sweaty Uncle of Paganism

For a while -  a while meaning the amount of time I have been participating in online message boards, listening to podcasts, and reading blogs (not to mention my creation of the latter two) - I have heard a rather serious accusation. Three words that blindly and blithely eliminate an entire genre of music, three words that I have, admittedly, said time and time again.

Pagan. Music. Sucks.

In what seems to be a large portion of the pagan community, pagan music has become a laughing stock, the obnoxious sweaty uncle that we put up with as part of the family feast. The obnoxious sweaty uncle is loved by all (come on...he's your uncle, after all), but we really wish he wouldn't sit so close to us at dinner. When we're at the mall with our friends or out to eat at a nice restaurant and we see the obnoxious sweaty uncle, we are inclined to pretend we don't know the guy, because the minute he sees us he makes big, obnoxious, sweaty hand gestures, and loudly calls our name, and comes over and makes a big scene about how much he misses us and wishes we would come around more even though today is Monday and we just saw him at the family dinner on Sunday. We defend him to non-family, laugh at his jokes (because he can be pretty funny sometimes), and all around enjoy him...from a distance and in the proper amounts. (Gosh that guy can induce some kind of headache after a while...a while being 30-45 minutes of straight conversation.)

You get the picture.

I feel the same way about pagan music. A lot of people say, "Pagan music sucks," but they don't give the reason why. Or they do, but it's basically a take on, "Well, it just sounds kind of like 'wah wahh wahhh' and there's lots of acoustic music and people that can't sing." But, this argument isn't a very good one. Enya, for one, makes a VERY good living off music that sounds like 'wah wahh wahhh.' A lot of artists, very big names, do acoustic music - or, at least, acoustic versions of their songs (like John Mayer, Lady Gaga just released an acoustic of Born This Way, Alanis Morissette did several albums of acoustic music, etc.) And exactly how many times have you heard the complaint that multi-platinum recording artists these days can't actually sing? (Britney Spears, Ke$ha, Justin Bieber...oh wait...that last one's just me.) 

Those qualifications don't hold a lot of water, because a lot of people make a lot of money doing at least one if not all three of those things simultaneously in a recording studio. So, what makes Pagan music so different? Well, your mileage may vary, but here is my list, my reasons for disliking much of pagan music:
  • Production: On a lot of pagan music, music by musicians and bands that are just supposed to be so amazing, the production value is deplorable, dreadful, and downright bad. (Side note: I like alliteration.) Now, I used to not know the proper names for a lot of these qualities, but as I've progressed in my podcasting I've realized very basic concepts like normalizing, ducking, and simple vocal volume are exceedingly important to a quality end product. Many times it feels like perhaps the singer knows he or she or they are not very good, or they have a weak (read: thin or not loud) voice and don't correct the equalizer to make the voice the center of the song. Granted, in some spiritual music, the words matter very little, and it is the tone of the song or the instrumentation that is meant to sweep the person into a state of religious bliss. I doubt this is the reason for much of these issues, however.
  • Variety: This is sort of where the "Well it all sounds like bad singers going 'wah wahh wahhh' on acoustic guitars and drums they made out of spare tires" argument comes in. The vast majority of pagan music seems to be of the coffee shop, easy listening, sentimental, straight from a diary vein of music. A lot of it has a very similar beat, and much of it is produced via a combination of hand drums, guitar, tambourine, and other tactile, one-handed instruments. It's slow to mid-tempo, and the lyrics are invariably similar (which is the next point). That's fine...if you like, or are in the mood for, that style of music. Personally, I love that style of music, but not all the time. Sometimes I want to dance, listen to lyrics that are just on the edge of inappropriate, talk about some cheating fucker that is getting someone's named carved into the side of his pretty little souped up 4-wheel drive (thank you Carrie Underwood), and otherwise have fun with the music. It's not that there aren't pagan musicians or songs that don't have this quality, it's that they are few and far between and do not represent any sort of large portion.
  • Lyrics: There seem to be some rules about pagan music. You must mention 'the Goddess' at least 17 times in your 8 verse song. You must talk about how amazing the moon is, and how it is the Goddess. You must talk about how the Goddess has your back and makes your garden grow and blesses your glittery, fluffy, peachy keen life. Sensing a theme here? It reflects a lot of the pagan community in the sense of single-mindedly focusing upon The Goddess, the sanctity of the earth, or the same exact set of 10-15 chants that everybody already knows. There isn't a lot of ingenuity when it comes to pagan music - though, arguably, the same could be said for much of the entertainment industry right now. Now, I realize that the reason for this is that we like the Goddess. I mean, "Rah Rah Goddess!" and all, but is that all we are? Is that all we deal with on a daily basis? There are a lot of Christians that sing songs about a whole heck of a lot of things other than God, Jesus, and getting to heaven. What makes us so special, so different? 
  • Mood: Sure, when I want to feel musically spiritual I might want a lyric or melody that fits that mold, but what is spiritual? Does it have to be slow and introspective and incessantly remind me of the amazing wonders of the planet and the amazing amazingness of the God & Goddess - when the Guy is even mentioned? Personally, when it's a fire festival like Beltane or Midsummer and I want to raise fertile, sexual, powerful energy...pagan music is the last thing I turn to. I put on a mix of killer dance beats with a bass that pounds a loud, percussive beat and fluttery violins or computer generated instruments that envelope me as the singer just about blows me over with just how sexy I really am or how great this feels to dance or just celebrating being young and alive. It's raw and passionate and kind of dirty, but that's ok, because I'm alive and dancing and able to tap into something primal and infinitely more powerful than I could ever be alone. Each season, each sabbat, has a different mood. It's not always going to be sick, slick dance music that helps to elevate your energy levels. It might be classical music to herald the end of summer or cheery singers with lots of jingling bells for midwinter or wind instruments for the beginning of spring. 
  • The Singer: Oh buddy...boy you give a person a microphone and they will believe they are a rock star. I hear a lot of people go on and on about how this guy or that girl or this band has such an amazing voice...and I'm wondering if we're tone deaf. I don't know. Maybe I'm a snob because I grew up in a musical family, and maybe this goes back to production value being rather poor on many of these albums, but a lot of these singers are quite pitchy and cannot seem to sustain too many notes above middle C for very long. (Again, there are exceptions.) They have small ranges and little actual talent. There's no finesse, no coaching, no proper instruction. It's just that somebody somewhere told them they could sing, and they ran with it. Got news for you! My mother told me I could sing, too, but that doesn't mean I get a recording contract! It's like pagan musicians are broken down into 3 big groups: the girl who sits at a coffee shop, the guy who can't sing but just basically talks his song, or the person somewhere in between who wouldn't know pitch, melody, or harmony if it grew fangs and bit them in the ass. (Though, that jolt to the system might help them hit that high note! That's called Optimism, folks.)
Long story short: It's a lot of the same thing, and it's been that way for a good long while. As progressive of a community as we are, we seem to hold on to our pagan style of music for dear life. It can't change. It can't modernize, because (and this is just my pontification) then we'd be one step closer to being like everybody else, and that would simply be a crime. But, I've got news for the pagan community. We're growing. We're getting new members. Young. Old. Black. Asian. Latino. Gay. Bi. Transgender. Rich. Poor. Middle Class. Every color of the rainbow. Every socio-economic background. People from all walks of life are flocking to paganism, and they have a lot of different tastes in music. 

This, I believe, is where pagan music is going wrong in 2011. If you'll indulge me for just a moment, I'd like to talk about Christian music. I actually enjoy a lot of Christian music. Some of it can be exceedingly joyous and put one in a reverent, happy, or all around good mood without actually talking about obvious Christian topics. Why? Well, about 20-30 years ago, Christian radio stations began piping out music that sounded more and more like what was playing on the Top 40, R&B, Rap, and Adult Contemporary stations. There were good singers who weren't singing the standard hymns and spirituals anymore, though those certainly existed. There were as many flavors of Christian music as there were Christians. Some of it was annoying. Some of it was in the good-ol-boy-that-works-at-an-Abercrombie-store-but-is-still-a-wholesome-Christian-that-plays-his-guitar-for-his-church-youth-group style - these days called by many churches "praise & worship" music. Some of it covered old stand-bys with an added guitar riff, but then there were the stand outs. A lot of Christian bands and singers have become major mainstream stars. 

MercyMe became fairly big in 2001 with their hit "I can only imagine." Following their crossover success, the singer Stacie Orrico in 2003 had several number one singles (Stuck, There's Gotta Be More to Life, and I Promise) off her self-titled album that was actually nominated for a Grammy in 2004. The band Switchfoot was an extremely popular Christian band that had insane success with their 2003/2004 album 'The Beautiful Letdown' (which is one of my personal favorites) that produced the hit singles "Meant to Live" and "Dare you to move". This band actually did win a Grammy, sold millions of records, and is still played on mainstream radio stations. The list goes on. Several Christian singers since then have become Disney stars, actors/actresses, made a lot of money and had a lot of success all without ever compromising the quality of their music or their message. Sure, there have been a lot of folks that claim to be Christian that do all kinds of crazy shit, but they typically are not put into the genre of "Christian singers".

The point is that it's possible. There are Christian rappers (DC Talk, TobyMac, etc.) and R&B singers and acoustic singer/songwriters and techno artists, and the list runs the gamut of musical styles. The singers sing about God and Jesus and Getting To Heaven, but they also sing about sticking to your beliefs, believing in yourself, the importance of having fun, how to deal with shitty times, relationships, etc. Basically, all the things people typically sing about. Life. Living. The Human Condition. One doesn't have to limit themselves to one style or one message to still be considered a 'Pagan singer'.

Now, when I say that pagan music sucks, it is a misnomer. There are some quality musicians out there putting out good quality music. Just like our obnoxious sweaty uncle (didn't forget about him, did you?), we love pagan music. It speaks to who we are as a community, as a people, and as individuals on a spiritual level more than any other genre. But, we need some variety. I get a lot of people saying, "No it doesn't. That's not a rule. When did that become the way things are?" Well, those people tend to like the genre of music that pervades the pagan music scene these days. A lot of us, however, don't. Of course, then you get the guy who's like, "Sure they can't sing or play instruments or keep a beat, but they're really into it and it's more important to feel the Goddess working through you than to be musically pleasing. I's like...a spiritual experience, man..."

To each their own, I suppose. It is not a hard and fast rule that pagan music sucks, but for the droves of those turning to paganism that desire to incorporate it into more areas of their lives than just their altars, it is disappointing to see the lack of individuality, originality, and style.

You have to think of it like organic food at the supermarket. Supermarkets used to never carry organic food. Then, at one point due to demand, they began carrying things like organic milk and juice. When demand for that was at a certain level, they offered more organic products, but the prices were still expensive. Eventually, and this is still in progress, more stores offered more variety at values pennies above, at, or sometimes below the average price of the non-organic competitor. If we want better pagan music, we need to support the artists we feel are good. We need to buy their music that is readily available on iTunes or on their websites. We need to show the few artists that are good that we appreciate good and reward it with money. That way, being a pagan musician is a much more attractive and lucrative career option for an aspiring musician.

Who knows, maybe one day we'll have a pagan Stacie Orrico or Switchfoot of our own winning Grammy's and topping the charts. For now, we have our obnoxious sweaty uncle that everyone abides, most love, and everyone wishes would just go take a shower, get cleaned up, and come back out with a different outfit for once.

What do YOU think? Let me know who your favorite pagan artists are. Do you disagree that most/all pagan music sucks? Let me know why with a comment below! 

Love and Lyte,

Fire Lyte


  1. I like Godsmack, though, I don't know if one could classify that as Pagan music per se but only by virtue of the fact that the lead singer is Pagan.

    Overall, I completely agree with you. I find that most Pagan music sounds so similar, especially when it seems that the whole genre is intent on ignoring musical instruments and styles that have been in use or invented within the last 200 years.

    For most of my rituals and for when ever I need to create a more spiritual ambiance, I use mostly soundtracks from period movies, series, or otherwise traditional cultural music (i.e., Gladiator, Xena, The Mummy, etc). I find these to be more in line with what I need in spiritual music, perhaps because the skilled artists are able to tap into the authenticity of the periods.

  2. Sounds like someone needs to do a little digging in the underground music scene, where there seems to me to be a glut of artists who certainly make "pagan music" without falling into the "pagan music" genre. Coil, for example, has produced a plethora of magickal music (indeed, they intended their first EP, "How To Destroy Angels" to be used as a ritual instrument, and that the simple act of playing the record was the ritual itself) whilst other artists heavily use pagan and magickal elements in their music and their live shows (eg. John Zorn, Arktau Eos, Rachael Kozak/Hecate among others.) Of course, the metal scene is surfeit with pagan themes of widely varying quality (most of it unbelievably awful, but bands like Skyclad and superb!) Your music is out there, you just need to know where to look... :)

  3. While i agree that there is a lot of bad pagan music out there, there is also plenty of good - you just have to know where to look. Try Spiral Dance - the music is awesome, especially the album The Quickening. its not your normal pagan garage band. That album in particualr follows the wheel of the year- and it hit s on a lot more than the goddess in your garden. Also Go Away Godboy by S.J. Tucker is a good song. its hard to find, but the good pagan music is out there.

  4. I don't think *all* Pagan music sucks either, but I do see your points. I think it boils down more to the fact that big companies don't see 'Pagan music' selling very well, so they don't seek out or sign quality artists. Therefore, if you are an artist who wants to do Pagan music, you tend to self-produce. Much like self-published books, there are fabulous works out there, you just have to weed through a lot of crap that big companies usually do for you. There's positives and negatives to this, but you do end up with fewer professionally produced works and more acoustic performances.

    As mentioned above, there are some bigger names out there. I personally love Sully Erna, and I think Florence and the Machines deals with Pagan themes without being too coffee-shop-esque. I like a wide range of music, but a lot of my "Pagan" music choices come from podcasts (like witchesbrewhaha's AMAZING Halloween episode). I really like Shh! There Are Pagans in Texas' music choices as well.

  5. There's a lot of that going around, and I think J. Lange nailed it: Pagans don't spend a lot of money on music, so the genre never got any corporate push.

    But then there's Emerald Rose. Archives of Ages Past makes everything better ;-)

  6. I totally agree with you, couldn't have said it better.

    My favorite "pagan" song is: Song to the Siren, sung by Tim Buckley, lyrics by Larry Beckett. This acoustic unaccompanied version is lovely:

    Long afloat on shipless oceans
    I did all my best to smile
    'til your singing eyes and fingers
    Drew me loving to your isle
    And you sang
    Sail to me
    Sail to me
    Let me enfold you
    Here I am
    Here I am
    Waiting to hold you

    Did I dream you dreamed about me?
    Were you hare when I was fox?
    Now my foolish boat is leaning
    Broken lovelorn on your rocks,
    For you sing, 'touch me not, touch me not, come back tomorrow:
    O my heart, o my heart shies from the sorrow'

    I am puzzled as the newborn child
    I am troubled at the tide:
    Should I stand amid the breakers?
    Should I lie with death my bride?
    Hear me sing, 'swim to me, swim to me, let me enfold you:
    Here I am, here I am, waiting to hold you'

    More lyrics:

    This Mortal Coil recorded made it into a hit in the early 80s, but you can't hear the lyrics in their version. I do like it, as well as Tim's more engineered studio version. I guess I just like this song...

  7. I'm not sure where I should have posted, so I am going with here!

    Please include me in your pagan enough campaign! :)
    and...Magaly said “The world is a better place because of people who aren’t afraid of Enticing a Riot.”

    I've always, ALWAYS have been quite good at enticing my own riot, LOL as I love to fight for justice and the underdog. I've been a lurker/follower of yours for a bit, but wasn't quite ready for the "Button" as i am very new on my Pagan/Witchy path.

    But I think I am Pagan and witchy enough :)

    Thanks, Susan

  8. I will gladly admit that I would hear the words
    "Pagan" and "Music" in the same breath and I would automatically wrinkle my nose in distaste--it was like a reflex.
    However, through many great podcasts like yours, I have discovered artists such as SJ Tucker ("Go Away God-Boy" is my fave!), Kellianna, and Spiral Dance.
    I wouldn't discount it all as "New Age-y wah wahh wahhh" stuff. As in any genre of music, there will be things that you like and things that you dislike.
    Also, I have a playlist of music that I labeled as "Witchy" that includes not only aforementioned artists, but others you wouldn't think of--it's just random other songs that make me feel "witchy"!
    --Just my two cents...

  9. I certainly see where you're coming from Firelyte. As you've pointed out, to all things there are exceptions but to the majority pagan music is not something I want blaring out of my speakers when other people are around. Not because I don't want people to know my religious leanings but because most of it is tinny, one dimensional, and insisting upon itself. I like drums but drumming in music != pagan. The God/Goddess dichotomy != all of paganism, the moon/sun dichotomy != all of paganism.

    It seems the over arching problem is that the people willing to make music are the kind of pagans that gear towards this bend of celto-centricism where drumming, goddess/moon music is a great summary for what they do and the people that like that kind of music are drawn to it and encouraging. In short, it doesn't represent the diversity of paganism but rather a popular cross-section that those of us that don't belong feel detached from. I'm black but I don't listen to a lot of rap music because culturally it doesn't speak to me and is therefore irrelevant. If I had to listen to that music because I'm black and black people made it, I'd got bat shit crazy and say "Rap sucks" in a blanket statement because rarely does it pertain to me.

    I find instrumental music geared towards belly dancers to be a much better, much more varied lot of music and more pagan for me because it's not all "Goddess, goddess, you're so awesome it makes me swoon, goddess, goddess, gee I'm glad you're the moon" They're emotion communicated without hammering a particular worldview in my head.

    I also like indie bands that aren't pagan but represent subcultures like Steampunk groups that ARE acoustic but aren't trying to be pagan. Whether they are covertly, I have no idea but sometimes the sounds and lyrics vibe with me.

    Pagan music sucks for the most part but there are a plethora of songs that can be considered pagan. So here's my question: If there are non-pagan songs that fit well into paganism, if they were used for pagan purposes on a broader scale is that a religious appropriation and is it appropriate?

    I don't know the answer. Just asking.

  10. Sully Erna's new solo album, Avalon, is pretty good. It's quite different than the type of music he puts out with Godsmack.

  11. I know this is old, but I never got around to posting it before...for a selection of good pagan music, check out this site: Mercedes

  12. I enjoy music with pagan themes, though I would also complain that a lot of people who supposedly "listen" to music don't really know what to listen for in music, they just want something to hang around mindlessly. That's my problem with pop, at least. There are a couple of metal bands I know of who have pagan themes, although they have chosen not to call themselves pagan metal for a few reasons. Within Temptation, I know for positive that the lead singer is a witch, and she sneaks pagan themes into a lot of her lyrics. :) Eluveitie is a folk metal band, and one of their last albums was entirely in Ancient Gaulish, with some of the lyrics being ancient spells. :P

  13. I recommend the band Abney Park. Not really pagan but they have an awesome feel to them. Start with Airship Pirates!

  14. Want magick? A dive into the depths of Cerridwens cauldron? Truly moving spiritual threads of ethereal sounds which weave into a tapestry to envelop body, mind and soul?
    The Moors-The Hunter. YouTube it. I accidentally discovered them one night and have been captivated ever since. They have a website, which has other tracks to sample., lyrics and info. Very serious completely independent underground gem of a band. The moldavite of pagan music. Blessed Be all Phil P


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